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Mandela. Freedom Fighter, Terrorist or something in between?

Post by weedguru_animal » Thu Dec 12, 2013 8:15 am

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With the world awash with glowing eulogies, palpably breathing one huge global sigh of grief in response to the passing of Nelson Mandela, I have found myself barely affected, other than with a shaking of the head as I read comment after comment written of the man by people who never before seemed a supporter or student of his life. Hijackers of historical Greats, buying into the fashionable cause celebre…constantly prepared to pounce upon any apparent to the majority mark of anti-establishment revolutionary stance, a badge of cool, and when questioned, they quickly revert to listing other mainstream media despots like…Saddam, Bashar, Gaddaffi or Bin Laden. There is little to be gained through attempting constructive debate with such people. For they seek to do no more than attach themselves to the latest hero, and defend them with platitudes and plain nonsense. I am getting sidetracked already, so, without further ado, let us delve into the Real Life and Times of the recently departed SuperHero…

Mandela was a man who came to represent (and rightly so) the struggle against and liberation of his people from, the brutal south african apartheid regime. He was hugely involved in a period of major transition from vicious white rule to…a welcome chance for the blacks to govern…and finally towards what we find in modern South Africa; Zuma’s ugly creation of the black elite class, different skin but essentially comparable plunderers of the country’s wealth. And a few days ago, he bequeathed his country to the fruits of his life-long fight for revolution.

The man himself never struck me as a self appointed hero, or even anywhere near comfortable in the role. He exposed and owned his flaws as much as he campaigned tirelessly for an end to the regime and eradication of poverty. My hesitancy if not defiance towards the universal acclaim which places him as a modern day saint, is rooted not in any way against the man himself, but instead based upon the apparently lesser known facts of his brilliant life of struggle against specific tyranny. I use the word ‘specific’ for his scope for anti-tyranny was not spread evenly across the board, on a global scale…for example, his kinship and massive support received from President Suharto of Indonesia. A man who was likely responsible for the mass slaughter of a couple of million indonesians. The same man who pumped tens of millions of $$$ into Mandela’s fight for release, anti-apartheid stance and subsequent presidency, and received in return a 21 gun salute when he visited his pal Nelson (once out of jail and ruling the land), and the highest honour the south african government can give…the Order of Good Hope. But Hope for Who??? None of the millions slaughtered on Suharto’s twisted orders…
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Suharto…Mass Murderer awarded the Order of Good Hope, by Saint Mandela

Mandela’s position as commander of the military wing of the ANC was what put him behind bars. Public bombings and other killings were committed by ANC members under his command. Women and children were amongst those killed. The ANC’s guerilla force, known as uMkhonto we Sizwe—MK, or “Spear of the Nation”—was founded in 1961 by Mandela and his advisor, the Lithuanian-born communist Jew, Joe Slovo, born Yossel Mashel Slovo, who was officially named secretary general of the South African Communist Party in 1986. (I will proceed to avoid the immensely suggestive evidence of connections between Mandela, Slovo and the Communist sadists stretching as far as Chairman Mao, for whilst it is overwhelming in terms of probability, it is a complicated snake pit of hisses, fangs and testimony, and I prefer to reveal plain FACTS)

And what of his wife, Winnie Mandela??? Convicted of Kidnapping and an Accessory to Assault, which led to the death of a 14 year old boy at the hands of her bodyguards. A 14 year old ANC activist, who happened to be suspected of informing to the police….Even on appeal she remained convicted (by the South African Truth and Reconciliation Commission), yet has never served a day in jail. Just a fine sufficed. One of her most famous quotes is…

With our boxes of matches and our necklaces we shall liberate this country,” a reference to the necklacing execution method which has been said to have savaged several thousand (‘Necklacing’ involves car tyres filled with petrol wrapped around necks). How many deaths of which Winnie sanctioned is anyone’s guess. Sweet ol’ Winnie still to this day sits proudly and sinisterly on the ANC’s Executive Committee

Leading the country since Thebo Mbeki stepped down as President is none other than Jacob Zuma. Widely suspected of mass corruption and tried (but not convicted) of raping his deceased friend’s daughter. The woman was a famous HIV activist, who was carrying the disease. Outside the court-room, Zuma joined thousands of his supporters to sing their classic anthem -


Lethu Mshini Wami which translates to Bring me my Machine Gun!…encouraging blacks to gun down the white farmer descendants of the Boers with machine guns. A song he has regularly enjoyed delivering to the rabid crowds of his vast army of followers. Watching his aide by his side on any number of the videos available, mimicking the action of spraying bullets from an Uzi…certainly gives a strong impression of the ruling political class.>>>>>>

When asked by the Judge if he took any precautions to avoid becoming infected with the AIDS virus, he stated that he took a shower after sex. Not exactly useful words from the president of a country with the highest HIV infection rate in the world…Perhaps equally worrying was Zuma’s assertion that in Zulu culture, to leave a sexually aroused woman (she was wearing a knee high skirt) and frustrated could well lead to a charge of rape! Such a rancid thread of tribal lunacy was stitched from the start to the end of the botched trial which exonerated both an obvious fiend of the lowest order and friend of Mandela.

Whilst it is wrong to assert that Zuma was a natural, well groomed successor to Mandela, it is right to mention that he had his support. Which given his history, was huge and telling. Mandela’s appearance with Zuma at a 2009 rally surely produced a major influence and turning point in the ANC leader’s battle against former President Mbeki’s COPE party. Zuma won.

It is also rather odd, to find the US government especially, singing the man’s praises given Mandela’s staunch and open opposition to American Imperialism and the position of their Knesset masters…Whilst Obama compares him to George Washington, his position appears, as always, with a very slight scratching beneath the shit-stain surface of the mainstream media, somewhat out of touch with reality. By this late stage in the game, anyone who believes a word Obama says is surely either drunk, hopelessly high, dangerously ill-educated or simply brain-dead. Mandela’s stance towards the US can be gathered from the following quotes…Which most likely will not make it to the front page of the New York Times, or Ten News, or the BBC. For obvious reasons.

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Obama, Clinton and Cameron paying their respects to Mandela during the recent memorial service.

“If there is a country that has committed unspeakable atrocities in the world, it is the United States of America. They don’t care for human beings,”(NM)

“If you look at those matters, you will come to the conclusion that the attitude of the United States of America is a threat to world peace.”(NM)

“Israel should withdraw from all the areas which it won from the Arabs in 1967, and in particular Israel should withdraw completely from the Golan Heights, from south Lebanon and from the West Bank,”(NM)

“The UN took a strong stand against apartheid; and over the years, an international consensus was built, which helped to bring an end to this iniquitous system. But we know too well that our freedom is incomplete without the freedom of the Palestinians.”(NM)

Yet what more could we expect from a government whose former leader famously told the world in late 2007…“Now, where’s Mandela?” Well, Mandela’s dead because Saddam Hussein killed all the Mandelas.’(Bush)

How such an obvious cretin of a man could be elected in the first place, then re-elected…says a huge amount to the world regarding not just the US government but also the US people. That is another story entirely. For now, I just want to maintain this haphazard focus upon Mr Mandela.

It seems best to wind this up by looking at the present state of play in the land which our hero liberated. Having already mentioned Zuma, it will come as little surprise to learn that the situation under his control is far from ideal.

The violent crime rates are chilling. The HIV infection rate remains, staggeringly, the world’s worst. A new elite has been born from the rule of the ANC and it appears like nothing more revolutionary than a change in skin colour. For it is now a ruling, narrow class of blacks, sustained and prospering courtesy of the spastic-fanatical support of Zuma’s tribe. Poverty is widespread. What was once a prosperous nation (for a ruling class of dutch descended Boer whites) is fast becoming a brutally crime ridden prosperous place to do business for a ruling class of well-connected blacks, and a daily horror-show for everyone else, both black and white alike.

I have avoided touching firmly or even tentatively upon the vast evidence of Mandela’s connections, likely involvement, with the South African Communist Party. It is easily locatable, and adds much weight to the story. To fight powerful enemies, you need powerful friends. The SACP, Suharto…even my old pal Gaddaffi. All of whom were more than strongly linked, they were obvious supporters and backers of the The Struggle.

What can we deduce from this distance, having never lived in, visited or experienced any connection by blood to the matter in hand?? Surely the above hotchpotch of information is food for thought, and suggests if not demands a re-thinking of the hero worship to which so many folks seem susceptible.

My own impression, from such a distance, is that Nelson was a righteous man whose focus in life could be taken out of context and made to appear saintly, yet in reality, everything he did was unavoidably driven by his hatred of the apartheid menace which he chose as his cause. Such rancour dominated and blinkered him. I liked the man. I respected his unwavering drive to fight his enemies, some of which were my enemies, for they were the enemies of all that is right and decent. Still, I cannot shake off sensations of Gus from Breaking Bad, and I wonder, had he been born elsewhere, would such a man, finding different enemies, be seen here and now as a Hero worthy of global adulation??

I see and feel Mandela as a wily warrior. My respect for him is due to not only his campaign of resistance, but equally, if not more so, his honesty. Born into a ferocious struggle, he grew to fight hard, nasty and powerfully, whilst behind the iron bars and then once thrust into the position of King of his land. History will not delineate his life accurately for much of what I have learned and shared above will remain elusive and somewhat at odds with the widely accepted ideal of Greatest Freedom Fighter Of Our Time. What matters most to me, and what stands Nelson apart from his contemporaries, is that it was never the man himself who made any effort to cultivate such hero worship. And now, ironically and horribly and typically, it is one of the greatest enemies to peace in our times, Barack Obama, whose words about Mandela, will reach the masses with most fraudulent resonance…

Yet again to his credit, Mandela did not dispute the charges against him. Not proudly, but honestly, he accepted the sentencing. The worst aspect of this whole present circus show is that governments he despised, backed by organizations very clearly culpable of horrendous crimes around the world, are the major mouthpieces now singing the Great Man’s praises…

It is easy to see things in black and white, Good versus Evil. Easier still to adopt the assumption that anyone who fights against something clearly oppressive, racist and evil must surely be saintly, pure and good. The truth of the matter however, is rarely so cinematic, regardless of how hard our media attempts to make us believe so.

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The present and future face of South Africa…Mandela buddy, Jacob ‘bring me my machine gun and let us gun down the whites’ Zuma
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Re: Mandela. Freedom Fighter, Terrorist or something in betw

Post by WeedGuru_Flow » Tue Jan 07, 2014 10:45 am

I don't know the man well enough to be the judge of that but am aware of the controversies around him.

I think as with all people, being in the spotlight for extended periods of time tends to corrupt and I doubt Mandela was 100% pure in his intentions/agenda.
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