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Can rape be avoided through education???

Post by weedguru_animal » Sat Mar 14, 2015 8:57 am

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I have seen this caption doing the rounds on fuckbook, and every time it appears I am a little agitated. Not because I am a rapist, but because I find the message wrong and idealistic.

Undoubtedly there are cases where men (or women) are taught that rape is a fine way to behave. Some religions for example, countenance a despicable focus on treating women as chattel. And in the regions where such advice is enforced in a very strict manner, perhaps some can be taught that their religious leaders are wrong. That their God or Prophet is wrong. Not many I suspect.

One of the most powerful allies of the Western world in the Middle East is Saudi Arabia. Who are one of several countries who treat rape victims as criminals, throwing them in jail for the crime of 'illicit sex', regardless of the circumstances.

There are also families - I have met a handful - where relationships defy the standards expected of the majority in the western world. They scared me so deeply, that I refuse even now to offer any details. Suffice to express...There are certainly families in England and elsewhere, in the less affluent areas, where the treatment of children and of women is sickening to the soul, almost surreal to accept as a reality.

In the situations of such families and extreme religious interpretation of holy texts, I question the value of education. And also, how that education would manifest.

The majority of rapists outside of the countries where they, not their victims are protected by state law, probably know what they are doing is wrong. Else why would so many rapes occur in secluded areas, absence of witnesses other than the rapist and the victim?

Perhaps Cobain's words were taken out of context. And he went on to say that his idea of education is stronger deterrents?

We could make the punishment for rape castration, better still, turn them into eunuchs. Or simply kill them. Avoid making use of the organs for I have always believed that our instincts and other facets of humanity yet to be recorded biologically by science are not confined to the brain; they are in the blood, they are in the bones. So just to be safe, kill, then use the body as some form of fuel?

Such...final measures, however, should only be used when there is zero doubt on the conviction. Cut and Dried guilty. Which is trickier than at first glance. For as the laws, in England at least, have moved slowly towards encouraging rape victims to come forward and offering them privacy, protection of their identity during a profile, especially in high profile cases, there has also been an upsurge in entrapment and false accusations.

I often question whether a 'victim' of an alleged rape by a celebrity, let's say a footballer of high profile and huge riches, would have brought the case to court were her assailant some Joe Bloggs character. For two reasons. Firstly high profile targets of such claims represents perhaps a major coup for the authorities, for the publicity, for the perceived righteous bent of blossoming greater eagerness to put down those who believe they are above the law due to their privileged position in society. Secondly, the victim may well have the opportunity to make money.

However, in many cases, there is no hint of financial enterprise, and its solely a brutal attack on the intimate liberty of another. And in these cases, I fail to see how education could make a preventative impact before the incident, absent of far harsher penalties, such as flaying.

It is as useful as suggesting that murderers murder due to a lack of education.

Rape is something obviously wrong. It is so regularly portrayed as wrong in modern society, that it beggars belief that more could have been done, in enough cases to warrant further investigation, to educate the perpetrator and dissuade the out-dated instincts are at play. Yet are they really that odd? Did not our ancestors used to simply smash a woman over the head when he wanted her?

Education of such things should be inert for the modern man. As simple as treating others as you wish to be treated yourself. Yet that is not how our westernised cultures operate and show good example from the top. As a collection of countries, certainly the french, italian, german, english and in more modern times the United States ( who have taken state sponsored terrorism to levels which I hope are never repeated by another country in the future), we have a history both past and present of committing horrific crimes against other nations, other peoples, other tribes. Mass slaughter, genocide, rape, torture all are common place in our foreign affairs.

With that in mind, and on record as fact, is it really any surprise that there remain in our cultures, a large number of rape incidents. And murder incidents. And other brutal and sickening complete neglect of the liberty of our victims.

I do not believe that an example needs to be shown to people, its enough for the horrendous treatment of other nations and their people, to be happening, day in day out. For that sickness, to trickle down, to our own souls, regardless of whether we have seen the act. As a boy can grow to show the same tendencies as his father without spending any time with him, knowing nothing of him, apparently due to bad blood (yet I suspect more is at play), why not posit that the children of society, have in their souls and spirits, the remnants of the horrific behaviour of our society as a whole?

I agree with Cobain that Rape education may have some value. Yet if a boy needs to be taught that rape is wrong, he is already likely too fucked up to change the very instincts which lead him to rape. I believe that there would be more value to showing young boys a 'reshaped rapist' made into a eunuch for his crimes, than any video, or seminar or other contemporary academic or social education mechanism.

Perhaps that was the education to which Cobain was referring??
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Re: Can rape be avoided through education???

Post by leprechaun » Tue May 12, 2015 9:07 pm

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However, in many cases, there is no hint of financial enterprise, and its solely a brutal attack on the intimate liberty of another. And in these cases, I fail to see how education could make a preventative impact before the incident, absent of far harsher penalties, such as flaying.

It is as useful as suggesting that murderers murder due to a lack of education.

Rape is something obviously wrong. It is so regularly portrayed as wrong in modern society, that it beggars belief that more could have been done, in enough cases to warrant further investigation, to educate the perpetrator.
Everything else seemed like waffle to me, but I seen the same quote on FuckFace as well, and thought exactly the same as above.

And the worst part of it all, for me, was the self righteous better than thou, feminist angle it was coming from.

Which leads me on to maybe start a new debate. Has modern, or western, feminism had it's day? Surely they've got pretty much all they wanted by now. Equality hasn't been any higher. And yet, there's continuous drivel from, lets be honest, the practically radicalised, over the top, young know it all's.

Granted, if they were to focus their attention to the likes of the middle east, Saudi Arabia and such, aswell as African nations, where women are genuinely treated like dirt, then I would be behind them all the way. But don't give me that, every woman is sexualised by every man, and that's why everything bad happens. Because frankly, it's the biggest pile of piss I've heard in a long while.

Rant done, I'll await the harsh responses.
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Re: Can rape be avoided through education???

Post by weedguru_animal » Tue May 26, 2015 11:23 am

I have met two feminists of late. One of which proved a bothersome wench hellbent on placing me as a typical, average, white male, with white male thoughts and white male opinions. Which is ridiculous, as can be proven by my lack of friendship with white males, and obvious lack of common ground I find with most white males. At the same time, she was not only a feminist fighting for woman's rights (which she couldn't outline for me when asked what she seeks), she is also a do-gooder specialist, helping children, helping asylum seekers, helping everyone, it seems, but the average white male who I was and represented. She was bullish and irritating.

The other was and remains...one of the most beautiful minds and instantly intriguing women I have ever met or could meet. Like me, she seems simply more eager to see everyone treated equally, and men or women praised and encouraged on their merits, not gender. She seeks equality. And the feminism zeal is one part of that, never presented in a bullish fashion, always with an openness to what arguments might come, for she knows she learns more from debate with others, than can be achieved through holding a view of I am Right, everyone who contests is Wrong.

It is patently wrong to label all feminists as one and the same. For there are a multitude of stances and ideals to contend with, many of which are mutually abrasive, not complimentary.

Many women are sexualized by themselves. Many by the media, Many by men, many by their own mothers.

It is fair and accurate to assert that the world is run by men. Most high ranking employees of the vast majority of organizations are men. There is a clear lack of balance, in both the private sector and to a slightly lesser degree the public sector.

For instance, there are mainly women in brothels and stripclubs. If a man dreams of being a stripper, he has barriers to the trade, simply because there are a million times more female stripping opportunities, than male. The reverse can be said of security work.

A better example of an anomaly is childrens services, where we find far more women. Is that because they are more likely to get the job? That employers trust women with children, as natural nurturers, more than me? Or that men are not as attracted to such work, leaving gaps for women to fill en masse?

I have trouble delving into non western countries, especially those where womens rights are brutally oppressed. Yet even in such countries, let us look at Saudi Arabia, the best friend in the middle east of the western powers...Michelle Obama goes on the record to demand justice for the girls stolen by Boko Haram, she widens her eyes, performs a brilliant propaganda piece, and the masses roar of her womanly virtues, yet at the same time, her husband is doing dirty deals with several of the very worst regimes on the planet in regards to womens rights.

To a degree, the most brutal nations towards women are allowed to be, because the male ruling class in the west, has no interest in their plight, no interest in womens rights, unless it can be good for business.

Some of the battle-lines drawn by feminists are stupid. Most are rooted in an eagerness for equality. I find it stupid to think a security manager is forced to have a 50/50 quote of genders in his guards. Because men are generally physically stronger and more capable in such things than women. That is simply silliness. However, that is nowhere near enough to blind me to the huge lack of balance between women and men rising to the top of major organizations, public and private.
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